Trading with bigger stakes. Taking it to the next level.

A few people asked my why I traded with stakes of 200 to 250. They pointed out that with my experience I ought to be trading bigger. This echoed my own thoughts. I have mentioned either on here or in the chatroom/forum  that my aim for this season was to increase my stakes. Until a couple of weeks ago I had increased to 300 but whenever a game looked difficult I was stepping back down to my comfort zone of 250.

A while ago I felt that I should be able to trade with 500 stakes. Why? Well I saw other people doing it and thought that they were no better than me so I tried it. Shit myself!. The trouble was that I was stepping up from 200 to 500 in one go. Way too fast.

I backed one of the Wiliams sisters when I thought she was in control of the set and almost immediately it went against me. It was probably a poor entry point. The only thing I remember is seeing that big red 500 when I entered the bet.

So I went back to 250. I liked 250. I didn’t have a heart attack when the red 250 appeared on the other player.

I have always felt as though I am missing opportunities. Maybe I need new strategies. Maybe I am missing the strategies that the really big players use. I told myself that if I can make 1500 a month part time using 250 stakes why would I need to risk more? When I go full time after this season even on 250 stakes I can make £600 to £800 a week fairly comfortably.

But recently a couple more people questioned why I was stuck on that stake. So I increased to 300. I was totally comfortable when I clicked to enter a 300 trade so it was obviously within my level of experience to use that stake. So I increased to 350. Then 400. No adverse reaction when I clicked the mouse. I wasn’t suddenly sat in my own mess. Maybe the time was right.

If anyone asked me whether it was a good idea to increase their stake by such an amount in a short space of time then naturally I would be advising against it. I think in my situation I had held my stake too low for too long.

So I now use 500.

What I didnt expect was that it would change the way I trade. We have all seen posts on other forums telling you that its easier to trade with bigger stakes because you don’t need to get as many ticks. When you are using high stakes I feel its important to remember what that stake is. Its not 500. Its 500 POUNDS. Thats a lot of money and has to be respected. If someone told you they were placing a bet for £500 you’d think they were either mad, reckless or had a rich dad.

So when entering a higher  stake I choose my entry points very carefully. I am concentrating more on how many ticks a successful trade might bring me.

If using, for example,Back the Server I may not stay in for the whole game. Often in a tight match you will get 10+ ticks if the server goes 30-0 up. You will only get significant extra ticks if the game is won to 0. If it is won to 15 or 30 then you won’t get a much better price than you got at 30-0. And the risk is less because you’re not exposed to the market as long. You need to be quick to get out of a trade if it looks like it can go against you. It had focused my mind even more than it was before on the discipline and bank protection side of trading.

But have my results and profits improved? Well in the last couple of weeks I have averaged over £200 a day. If that becomes the norm then I’m looking at over 1K a week. 4K a month! Now that wouldn’t put me in Adam Heathecote’s league or anywhere near some of the guys who read the blog and forum. But thats a lot of money to me.

My “acceptable” loss level has naturally increased. I have a mental stoploss set at half my stake so therefore its now £250. I don’t get many losses but occasionally I feel that a trade isn’t under control and I will get out if my hedgeable figure hits -£250. I have had 1 in the last 2 weeks (-£220) but as the profits are also scaled up  I made that back the next couple of games.

I’ll keep you up to date with how its going but its an exciting time for me personally. The danger is in getting carried away and I have to avoid losing discipline. I have never been one for post-it notes on the screen with rules but maybe its time for something similar. I’d be interested to hear how you remind yourself of your trading rules as some of them may be of use to me.

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8 thoughts on “Trading with bigger stakes. Taking it to the next level.”

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    Great post!!
    I think you are able to live the dream that all traders are pursuing..

    Wouldn’t mind making 4K a month doing this.

    Wouldn’t it be great to have one big trading room for you and your buddies to do this stuff all in one room, trading away on the same match? 🙂

    You obviously know your business, you’ve proven that with your picks and matches and strategies.

    Maybe a nice thought for the future when you give up your day job?


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      Thanks Kevin. Also bear in mind that the potentioal 4K is part time. Really have to keep your feet on the ground to avoid it going tits up 😉

      Interesting idea on the trading room. Food for thought.

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    I think this is very important topic as I believe money management and discipline are key parameters in successful trading.
    Stake size is important – no doubt – but time you cut your loses is much more important. You wrote it is 250 for 500gbp. It is 50% – it is a LOT! it is 250 pounds!
    I was looking for proper algorithm to keep red money level depending on stake size.
    for stake 100E I could go for red loss about 30% =30E, for 500 it is 20% – 100E, for 1000 it is 10%.
    it will keep my bank safe and keep loses on right level.
    Of course it depends on bank size at the end:)

    good post!

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      Hi Spaced and thanks for the comments. Always appreciated 🙂

      I get very few losing matches but found that when I did get a game that I just wasn’t in tune with it could result in a large loss. Probably due to ego that I wouldn’t accept that I couldn’t profit from that game. So I introduced my 50% of stake total “acceptable loss” limit. Often I can be in a position where I need to switch sides and I can usually do this 2 or 3 times and keep the liability under control. But in my view if my liability gets to half my stake then i just aren’t in control and should accept defeat and move on. Naturally I get a few £30-50 losses. No one gets it right all the time and they are just part of trading. What I wanted was a way to cut out/reduce the biggies that could wipe out a weeks profit.

      But I take your comments on board and will review my loss limit. Thanks 🙂


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    I’m not as experienced as you – for sure. And I was watching so many forums where a lot of stake advices were posted. I just noticed – every trader needs to find his own way to keep loses low.
    Probably partially depends on your own confidence in trading in and out the game.

    There was a match today Verdasco-Montanes. This was really traders nightmare. It was 1.01 on Verdasco in 2nd set and he had TWO MATCH BALLS when suddenly he lost the set!! and landed 1.50!
    And there was 254 000 pounds matched at 1.01. finally Verdasco won – 6-0 in 3rd set. My result was +49Euro

    Of course I also lost -not once. And will be losing in the future. But stake size+affordable loss level+ability and confidence in switching the sides is a key! that’s why my today’s overall result is €562 – and there is still first set of Peng-Stosur match;)

    congrats on your blog!!!


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      Excellent result for the day. There are plenty of traders who will haveed laying at 1.01 so I guess they’ll be happy enough 🙂

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    hi spaced..

    what kind of matches do you trade on?
    +563euro sounds pretty nice in my book 🙂


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